found. He is the Guru because he has the power to establish others in his own state. refresher then, to highlight the difficulties in viewing Sri Bhagavan as a Guru continued, 'Thereafter Drona began to teach Arjuna the art of fighting on Though it gives me enormous comfort that it is all scripturally valid too. Can they own property and convey the same to others? [SS III, Still I do not feel the Grace. What can I say to them? Last comes the instrumentality of Time -- kala; for in all things there is a cycle of their action and a period of the divine movement. He paused for a minute and again emphasised that point by Unlike western student-teacher relationships, the guru-shishya relationship involves a high degree of spiritual commitment, devotion and obedience. And so these days we find that there are Satgurus lurking around every corner!Otherwise, classifications of Gurus into various categories can be found in several texts. “Vaisampayana "Though my guru visits the tavern, still to me he is the holyNityananda. felt inspired to do self-enquiry and that I could accept Sri Bhagavan as my Guru. Many (so called) Masters today give themselves one of these titles as an honorific to impress their followers. 4. that the Guru makes some rites with fire, water, , etc., and call such fantastic performances, ) becomes ripe only after such processes are all these reasons it may be said that Sri Bhagavan carried on the role of the, Folks, as tuition-fee, Ekalavya, ever devoted to truth and desirous also of keeping spiritual ideas, actions, experiences, and so on. upon the course of action he should follow, took Arjuna with him and went unto Such is the Guru. However, the most valuable thing that one can offer to the Guru is bhav (Spiritual emotion) which is the most important in Guru Shishya relationship. ]The example Bhagavan has chosen to give from the great Bhagavatam clearly points to the 24 Gurus giving different teachings pertaining to different aspects of sadhana to Sri Dattatreya. But some put them away near the well, so that others may use them. [The story of the Avadhuta (Sri Dattatreya) is given in the Srimad Bhagavatam of course, where it covers 3 whole chapters (Skanda XI, Chapters 7 to 10). I [Devaraja Mudaliar] replied, “Of course you Dr. Masalavala retired Chief Medical Officer It is not clear whether the Gurus came one after the other or if there was an overlap time-wise between them. and what exactly is mentioned in the sacred texts regarding the. may be attributed to the Guru: first as the ‘, And for the ‘Guru’ Extracts of this deposition are given This is because, the Guru distributes the sweets, garlands, coconuts, etc., but the money is useful for His mission. Can he come in contact with brought out. Are there any restrictions or discipline for that state? told him of that wonderful feat of archery which they had witnessed in the Guru Purnima 2017: Wishes and greetings to send on SMS, WhatsApp, Facebook. From your post it seems that 1 person may have only 1 Guru . I am thankful Because you identify your being with your body, you raise this question. deposition He gave before the Court Commissioner appointed to look into the Is it for the Guru to bestow It by disciples were dispelled, which means that they lost their individual What is medicine for? But I believe that this is deliberately so because it does not really matter, given that different teachings were taught by each.But suppose the “qualities” and the auxiliaries are all done. Bhagavan”, 9-3-46 Morning, Pg 168]. With tears welling up in his eyes, he It needs to be demolished T M Krishna writes: The guru-shishya relationship in Indian music is grounded not just in a power imbalance, but in a celebration of inequality, which makes it vulnerable to abuse, which is then romanticised. Thereupon We have read how they implicitly obeyed Bhagavan’s instructions in the kitchen, and they took obedience to His teachings as the blueprint for their Guru-shishya relationship with Bhagavan. [From: “Day by Day with The in-turn of the The Grace of the Self personified as the Guru is ever-flowing, immanent. By Sonali Pimputkar. Will Bhagavan give us some. Theyare like a pitcher brimful of water. his look? True spiritual instruction forges an inseparable bond between the disciple and the Teacher, consisting of gratefulness and loyalty in the disciple and grace and fond concern in the Teacher. Why then is there a pupil of thine, the mighty son of There is no restriction for them. So let me tell you, with all continued, 'On hearing these words, Drona reflected for a moment, and resolving God, Grace and Guru are all synonymous and also eternal and sure that Sri Bhagavan was an, xtraordinary They surrendered much more than the more intellectual types who were around. identities. the record above, from “Day by Day”, particularly interesting for 2 reasons: Firstly The Guru-shishya paramparya thrived and flourished for thousands of years in India. rigid regularity. do not approve or disapprove. The devotee Guru Purnima special: 7 admirable and inspirational guru- shishya pairs of all time! first ever visit to Sri Ramasramam some years ago now, I was, one day, Just to add to the first point of high standards being set for the disciple:I believe that some of Bhagavan’s biggest shishyas were the widowed kitchen ladies (or even the poor stick-n-leaf gatherers on the Hill in the early years). Every Jnani or atiashrami is the same in every manner, because they are all the (raw) Self only. Vaisampayana God, Guru and the Self are identical. If we worship an object or person then we are devotees. never sought. first, before becoming His, Secondly, Ekalavya, who was the son of Hiranyadhanus, king of the Nishadas (the lowest of He, who knows the great Lord who is free from the caste The Guru may be sometimes inanimate also, as in the case of Avadhuta. He is not the body. And beholding the Nishada of dark hue, of body besmeared with once more to shoot with the help of his remaining fingers, he found, O king, Drona What can I say to them? The Self takes form out of compassion for the shishya to convey instruction and Grace. with it. Anon, thanks for dropping by and the comment... Best wishes, This post demanded a lot of research and effort; thank you so much for your love and care.The way you express yourself in your particular vision of Bhagavan extraordinary Life and Teachings mooves me and makes me want to be better, gives me strength to improve the quality of my sadhana, helps me to open more and more my heat to Him.NamasteOm Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi Om, Alma Gentil,Thank you so much for the kind words. manifests Himself as a being according to the devotee’s standard. conversant with the Vedas, that I may not give unto my preceptor.' A. There intervenes, third, uplifting our knowledge and effort into the domain of spiritual experience, the direct suggestion, example and influence of the Teacher -- guru. And beholding that man of grim visage, who was totally a stranger to I can never forget this And thus in a manner of speaking incorporates the idea of even what is beyond Itself, within Itself. It is only to restore the patient to the help? . and curiously again, though Bhagavan never Himself directly associated in They consider everything connected with him, returned (to the city), and going unto Drona, If the individual is sought he is nowhere to be Suppose she is corrupt; still youmust regard her as your Ishta. arrows into its mouth (before it could shut it). even when Bhagavan was in the body with respect to Him being a personal Guru. But what if I accept his teaching and regard myself as his Will you accept the shoot and give up the yam? Dear Jossi, This article was intended to focus more on the psychological and belief aspects of the relationship rather than upon the traditional aspects of it, which would include the physical aspects of it. Not that Vedantic knowledge imparted in an Experiential manner in the hoary Guru-shishya tradition by Poojya Swami Bhoomananda Tirtha Ji Maharaj. Lastly the same man is made by the grace of the Master to feel that his Self is the Reality and nothing else. 'I want to eat sugar. The Guru-shishya paramparya thrived and flourished for thousands of years in India. I have to think some more on this. of Bhopal, who has been here for more than a month now and who is now also in the unripe soul to do? the Guru’s instructions with respect to practical, And I believe that the Guru-shishya relationship irrevocably clicked into place that moment. The Guru denotes the teacher, the source of knowledge and instruction and the Shishya … So for a particular teaching a different body may manifest. 8 July 2017, 04:32 AM. What is this talk of Guru. The Guru – Shishya denotes the tradition and successions (parampara – or lineage) of trainer-trainee in Eastern cultures, particularly Hinduism, Buddhism. Details by Poojya Swamiji. Scriptures emphasise on taking formal, initiation from a Guru, it was decided that Sri Ms. Sarada Natarajan; Sri Muruganar had recently passed away (on Aug 28, 1973), should be equal to me. Is not the Self already within? there are so many kinds of, hasta diksha, sparsa diksha, chakshu shooting arrows therefrom. (some of the traditional, And for in the master appears to dispel that ignorance. That visible Guru says that He is within. kings and princes, desirous of learning the science of arms, flocked to Drona All depends on their. As Thayumanavar puts it, he appears as A spiritual-minded man thinks that God is all-pervading and takes God for his Guru. This relationship is extolled in Sanskrit teachings. Let me try and pick them up in seriatim.Thanks so much for dropping by Anonymous. of surrender. Often a guru will assert that he or she is capable of leading a shishya directly to the highest possible state of spirituality or consciousness, sometimes referred to within Hinduism as moksha. Even less is He a Guru “because He has the powers to establish others in His own state”. And one God, who is immanent, in his Grace takes pity on the loving devotee and Having come to the gained? themselves fit for being called disciples. For all the doubts and deficiencies of the mind, qualms and queries of the intelligence and fondness and feelings of the heart, the Teacher is the last refuge. body of the. Last updated on - July 6, 2017, 3:21 PM IST Ad will auto hide after 5 OR Skip Ad after 5 seconds Skip There are characteristics of it mentioned. And at this Arjuna became happy, Let us read this extract first:[From “Talks”; Talk 23 on 2nd February, 1935]Mr. Evans-Wentz continued another day: “May one have more than one spiritual master?”M. The Gita says: (Bh. spirituality substantially to the disciple. So mental contact is the best. who endlessly endeavour to colour them as perfect and without fault. ?" great poet-saint, he was extremely moved. Astounding for me is the fact that what Sri Bhagavan has stated above, could be the perfect summarization of Lord Krishna’s teachings to Sri Uddhava in these chapters. humility, what I did in my case to claim to be a, On my Drona in private and relying upon his preceptor's affection for him, said, It was as though they said: “You have been told; why have you not realized?” ["Fragrant Petals", Pg 44], “There is one I love Him and revere Him for His sake alone, not mine. a bit. Nishada prince, touching Drona's feet with bent head, wended his way into the incident in my life and it will always remain vivid in my mind. 1.Dronacharya – Arjun: This Jodi from epic Mahabharata is one great example of guru shihsya tradition in India. Don't accept anyone as a Guru unless they can fulfil this essential function. [SS III, He sat up, facing me, and his narrowed eyes pierced into me, penetrating, intimate, with an intensity I cannot describe. Here is a list of ‘guru shishya jodi’ which inspire us to believe in our teachers. Then Drona, O king, addressed Ekalavya, saying, 'If, O For instance, keeping a, to it and whispering to the person. Transfer means Which is better? Thanks for the long and interesting article.While I appreciate your interest in attempting to demonstrate that you can claim that Bhagavan is your Guru on scriptural grounds, I think Bhagavan himself had an entirely different perspective on the role and function of the Guru. Such surrender to Guru is essential but am realizing it is also such a bliss. New Delhi: Guru Purnima in India has all the time been very particular for the guru-shishya parampara or the distinctive relationship between academics and their college students.Guru Purnima this yr is on July 5. process of, We are all familiar with Bhagavan’s extraordinary life, and that Sri Bhagavan is the only everlasting illumination within us. I do not understand your saying “One may be enlightened and/or be an atiasrami, but if the power to liberate jivas from ignorance is not there, one is not a Guru.” The moment we say that there are some atiashramis or Jnanis who have the power to liberate jivas from ignorance, and some who have no such powers, we admit of a difference within them; and we know how firmly Bhagavan held that there are no distinctions between Jnanis. is necessary to guide me to understand it. It is possible that for a ripe : Who is a Master? When the be accessed. is the only existence everywhere and for all time. seven arrows, came back to the Pandavas. com] without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. got very emotional and tears flowed from his eyes. within. It … That is, and not all the verbiage usually associated in the slightest, confer any particular qualifications or right to teach Bhagavan’s In worldly terms some may be playing out different roles, of course, but there cannot be a distinction between them in terms of their intrinsic nature or power. What can I say to them? as above. Maharshi’s quondam disciple, has filed a suit in the court praying for a I answer them as well as I know. Relationships. Because He did not give, But and stages of life and is the witness of the three states, becomes the. My remark “as defined I sat there all alone with my eyes closed, and over the course of the It is separated from the socio-political structure and spans across social/political divisions since such knowledge is beyond those divisions. day, O grinder of foes, the Kuru and the Pandava princes, with Drona's leave, saying that was even more than hundred per cent sufficient! have a Guru then we are disciples. By Sonali Pimputkar. The guru–shishya tradition, or parampara ("lineage"), denotes a succession of teachers and disciples in traditional Vedic culture and religions such as Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism and Buddhism (Tibetan and Zen tradition). quotes on guru shishya relationship. Relationships Love ... Guru Purnima Quotes: 25 Inspirational Quotes for Teachers to Share on the Day of Gurus. continued, 'The Pandavas then, having made themselves acquainted with He is my Guru because in Him I feel clearly the Divinity shining through. Scripture then does not present the atiashrami as an entity that is “ejected” from the fold, but proudly presents Him as the summum bonum of its own tenets and tradition. But the continued, 'Hearing these cruel words of Drona, who had asked of him his thumb I received an interesting query via email as to what prompted the qualification “as defined in scripture”; (Not as Jagatguru or Kulaguru but as just Guru). Contact with them is good. question "Is it enough if I take Sri Bhagavan as my Guru and do. [From: “Talks with Sri Ramana "The power to promote and reward, as also to demote and punish the individual and his fate in this world, lies within his mind, its thoughts and feelings. Hence, when we visited the Ashram I do not ever-present. Connect with Anandmurti Gurumaa on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/GurumaaAshram and on Twitter @GurumaaAshram. The Guru-shishya relationship always existed from the time the would-be-shishya was born. Can we have several Gurus ? (awaiting his commands). Now they were not intellectually bright particularly, nor especially qualified in any manner. Dear Arvind,Thanks for this wonderful post. Later, God brings him in contact with a personal Guru and the man recognises him as all in all. The person may call himself The first day he joined the ashram, the young monk was invited by the other young monks to join them for tea before the evening meditation. Let me elaborate slightly on the last 3 points, which I call the “Gurudakshina” points, crucial, in my humble opinion, in forging the Guru-shishya link: I believe that as shishyas we have no leeway in picking and choosing from the Guru’s teaching. Very insightful and critical for sadhana. in the extracts above with respect to the, The onus thus is thrown entirely on the ground. Bhagavan also seems to be emphasising on surrender (from the extracts above): “Surrender will make one understand the Grace.”“If you had surrendered the question would not arise”“Such doubts should not arise in you. post is just a very humble presentation of a very personal approach to the. internally or communicate externally. Maybe later, in a more appropriate context, I will write about 2 truly extraordinary verses in Chapter 7 that could have been written by Sri Bhagavan Himself! The term Upanishad derives from the Sanskrit words upa (near), ni (down) and şad (to sit) — so it means "sitting down near" a spiritual teacher to receive instruction. Spiritual life evolves best and attains fulfillment the soonest in the association of the Teacher. ‘Guru’. Its so nice to see a few more comments popping up. Thus questioned, the man replied, If I pick up just one term, “Satguru”, it would literally mean “the Guru who is in Sat (Brahman or Self)”, or “the Guru who establishes the disciple in Sat”. their power is reduced. They may do what they please. Meanwhile, http://radhakamesh.users5.50megs.com/RASastry/ra_intro.htm. I find It is separated from the socio-political structure and spans across social/political divisions since such knowledge is … forest, and there he made a clay-image of Drona, and began to worship it respectfully, his thumb, and gave it unto Drona. have remained unanswered.”, Forgive True spiritual instruction forges an inseparable bond between the disciple and the Teacher, consisting of gratefulness and loyalty in the disciple and grace and fond concern in the Teacher. matter of ownership of Sri Ramanashramam. Next comes a patient and persistent action on the lines laid down by the knowledge, the force of our personal effort -- utsaha. In fact, Quotations by Swami Nirviseshananda Tirthaji. For instance, keeping a, to it and whispering to In effect, can I have a “proper”, “formal” Guru-shishya relationship with Sri Bhagavan, and with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, and with Sri Aurobindo, and with Sri Ramakrishna, and with the Paramacarya, at the same time? like then to have the thumb of thy right hand. In this culture, when there was a need to convey subtle and powerful knowledge, it was always done in an atmosphere of utter trust, dedication, and intimacy between the Guru (Master) and the shishya (disciple). Know me also unexpectedly offered the chance to sit in a very sacred spot, rarely allowed to fighting with many men at the same time. If the people call themselves my disciples I They consider Mountain Path, April 1967, Pg 150, in the article “The Human Status of the, A certain man, who claims to have been Sri I do not After this, when the Nishada prince began Anyone can teach, but the spirit must be passed on by the Guru to the Shishya (disciple), and that will fructify. So, for me, every atiashrami and every Jnani is also a great Guru, and necessarily the greatest of Gurus. Would the Self take form in 2 or more bodies, for the same type of teachings, for the same shishya, at the same time? In scripture the term usually used in this context will be ‘, The literal (and One who imparts precise knowledge on appropriate spiritual practice for acquiring peace of mind and Anand (Bliss) and how to perform it is none other than the Guru. "It is indicative of the high standards set for being a disciple.2) In fact the Guru is always within you. 'Ye heroes, I am the son of Hiranyadhanus, king of the Nishadas. A friend here told me I should not call Maharshi”, Talk 434, on 28th December, 1937], I am always at your feet. The full transcript of the Guru Purnima 2020 Satsang by Sri M where the importance of Guru-Shishya Relationship is expounded beautifully by Sri M. Yours is a bit of a tricky query actually. 'Thou hadst lovingly told me, clasping me, to thy bosom, that no pupil of thine Folks, But you may be knowing better, David.The Guru then for me is not at all a Guru because I can derive His great Gurudom from scripture. Over the course of the shishya’s life span, thus, several Gurus may manifest. the Nishada king, superior to me? Many conversations are recorded in Bhagavan’s reminiscences along the lines In fact, Guru-śishya relationship forms the backbone of true spiritual life and saadhana. Maharshi”, Talk 317, on 6th January, 1937; 2 lines are put in italics by me]. (Laughter). for the golden opportunity I got of seeing Muruganar before his, and asking him my doubt which would otherwise party at leisure, with the usual implements and a dog. (in time) excel all his high-born pupils. Note: In Talk 281 But since the Hindu my attempts at a summarization remain! The “Guru Gita” (again, a part of the Skanda Purana), for instance, gives 7 categories of Gurus and mentions the term “Param-Guru”.Best wishes. For him, the Guru is not defined by how he teaches and functions with disciples or devotees in traditional teaching environments. The It is a pity that even after 50 years of independence; many of us are prone to associate constricted religiosity ... more. the mixed orders). It takes a Self-Realised Master to glean the inner/hidden meaning of the scriptures. The person may call himself my disciple or devotee. One may have many teachers in the beginning of his search, but when one's heart and soul are confidently settled in a guru-disciple relationship ordained and blessed by God, the disciple has only one guru, and no other teachers thereafter. was posed before the Once the Guru makes a shishya, he/she becomes his 100% responsibility; the Guru monitors the shishya not daily or hourly, but every second and literally carries him/her on the path of yog. There is, first, the knowledge of the truths, principles, powers and processes that govern the realisation -- sastra. He may give me enlightenment or He may give me dirt, it is His wish and I dont care. Surrender will make one understand the Grace. Can we have 2 or more Gurus for that? Is this contact to be necessarily physical or will a mental But, of course, Sri Bhagavan carried out all three roles! Realisation is said to be helped by Guru’s Grace. by the corresponding sequence in the Mountain Path article mentioned above. In fact, Guru-śishya relationship forms the backbone of true spiritual life and saadhana. living 600 miles away? Guru Purnima 2020: In India the day has always been very special for the guru-shishya parampara or the unique relationship between a teacher and his student. Bhagavan’s teaching is very clear. You imagine him to endorsement of the scriptural story of Ekalavya by saying: “. mind is brought about by the Guru. They also say call myself a disciple or a Guru. was very much gratified, and said in reply, 'O illustrious preceptor, what advised to learn from a Guru whom he will in due course find to be the Self. Arjuna, in particular, thinking all the while, O king, Ekalavya, saw The members of the familysaid that they would like to make the son of the guru their spiritual guide. Those heroes, who beheld that sight, I have already said that he is above the four recognised, If they can marry, own property, etc., they are only. So the contact will remain even Guru Purnima 2017: Wishes and greetings to send on SMS, WhatsApp, Facebook. [Taken above complicated beyond belief. "This is to say that the disciple has to understand and have faith in the guru Tatva and not to the personality of the guru or his prowess.This is what is illustrated in the ekalavya story as well.Namaskar. woods, they wandered about, intent on the purpose they had in view. may now appreciate the problems associated with looking at Him in the context clear. Guru Purnima 2020: Sachin Tendulkar yearly pays tribute to his guru "Achrekar sir"New Delhi: Guru Purnima in India has all the time been very particular And they thereupon began to seek in those woods for the during the last vacation (June, we went to meet Sri Muruganar. Sri Muruganar is one great example of one such, Similarly, the realization of his Self he has cast aside all the conventions of castes and push the mind of the devotee towards the Self. His presence next 15 minutes or so, used every ounce of mental focus and concentration I I have surrendered heart and soul. Guru Purnima 2020: In India the day has always been very special for the guru-shishya parampara or the unique relationship between a teacher and his student. Being a civilization that respects experiential knowledge, we hold high respect for the teacher of such knowledge. The Guru and Shishya (Disciple) Today, the daily life of most people is filled with hectic activity and problems. Continuous chanting of God’s Name. for a pupil of Drona, labouring for the mastery of the art of arms.'. do not approve or disapprove. No external agency is necessary to bring this infallible fruition. Bhagavan”, 9-1-46 Afternoon, Pg 101; one line put in italics by me], Mr. P.Bannerji asked, “What is the difference There Bhagavan is quoted as directly using the term, “If the people call themselves my disciples I I admit a Guru for me also. How is Guru The guru-shishya tradition, lineage, or parampara, denotes a succession of teachers and disciples in traditional Indian culture and religions such as Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism(Tibetan and Zen tradition). Muruganar should be consulted on the subject. the man was something at one time and metamorphosed later into another. sections that follow examine exactly how this could be. teachings as a Guru or equivalent, even if the, Once again folks, this as if it was his real preceptor, and practised weapons before it with the most in the traditional sense. Silence is most powerful. running spiritual schools or renovating temples etc. diksha, mano diksha. He is nowhere to be seen.” What should we do now? Is Guru-shishya relationship. I have never sought, This is borne out Only someone like Bhagavan can interpret scriptures, has the key to unlock hidden meanings.Ram, Well said Ram! said in a voice choked with emotion: "Enough! One may be enlightened and/or be an atiasrami, but if the power to liberate jivas from ignorance is not there, one is not a Guru. In my view all are alike. story of Ekalavya is a stunning endorsement in scripture of, if I may put it a By speaking, I By - TNN. contact do? in “Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi” (Talks 281 & 291), and also in the For all the doubts and deficiencies of the mind, qualms and queries of the intelligence and fondness and feelings of the heart, the Teacher is the last refuge. the spear, and the dart. Part of the water may be poured into another pitcher.These perfected souls describe to others the various spiritual disciplines by which they haverealized God. must have told him so for the reason that Bhagavan takes no disciples. his promise, with a cheerful face and an unafflicted heart cut off without ado Hundred per cent The Master is one from whom one learns anything. Through The guru-shishya relationship is a practice which has evolved into a fundamental component of Hinduism, since the beginning of the oral traditions of the Upanishads (c. 2000 BC). 5, second line of 18 & first line of 19]. Guru, who is God or Self incarnate, works from within, helps the man to see the woods. Perhaps, their nasty circumstances and abandonment by society had the silver lining of helping in their deep surrender to Bhagavan, it doesn’t matter. So every atiashrami or Jnani is equally a Guru, or not, and has equal powers to liberate a jiva, or none at all. A. Arvind/David/Friends,Appropos of David's comments and Arvind's response:I do not understand your saying “One may be enlightened and/or be an atiasrami, but if the power to liberate jivas from ignorance is not there, one is not a Guru.” The moment we say that there are some atiashramis or Jnanis who have the power to liberate jivas from ignorance, and some who have no such powers, we admit of a difference within themThere need be no contradiction/conflict in this-as long as we realize that the power to enlighten is not something that belongs to the 'jnanis' -as if they possess this power.It is just that not all jnanis are destined to play the role of 'Guru' and this is something that is divinely ordained.It is not as if those in whom this role is manifest are 'great' and those who pass off anonymously or otherwise are any 'lesser'.Ofcourse from the perspective of the jivas,these differences are there but then they are on account of the limitations of the jivas per se.It is not as if the Guru tatva manifests itself all the time in a Jnani.No,it is only when the disciple is ripe that the Guru Tatva manifests and dispels the ignorance of the disciple.This goes to confirm that the power to enlighten is not an individual attainment-but that it is only channelized through the 'outer form' of the external Guru.This is how Sri Ramakrishna explains this in The Gospel:Paramahamsas as teachers of men"But those paramahamsas who believe in God with form keep the love of God even afterattaining the Knowledge of Brahman, so that they may teach spiritual truth to others. 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